From - Thu May 21 11:33:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: from smtp.enteract.com (206.54.252.9) by qpt.com with SMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 2.0.1); Thu, 21 May 1998 11:39:43 -0800 From: "Chris McGrath" To: radman@acid.org Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 13:33:40 +0000 Subject: Re: Alt.art.* In-reply-to: <35646F9A.6001@acid.org> Message-ID: <1316371707-77563549@qpt.com> Content-Length: 955 alt.art.hirez would be great! I'm currently on some mailing lists that discuss high resolution art but either they're exclusive to certain members or are just so widely used that they become annoying to have spitting 40 messages a day into my mailbox. It'd be really nice to have a newsgroup that i could go to when _I_ want to... to discuss techniques in Photoshop, Illustrator, 3dStudio, and basically any program i want to use.. and i use a lot of programs.. i've always found it useful to discuss techniques and program pro's and con's with other artists i respect... being an ACiD member has let me do some of that, but I'd really like to get in touch with more artists that may not be familiar with our work, and may have wildly different views of how to create art using the computer... I hope you guys decide to put up alt.art.hirez.. i'd love it! Chris McGrath Chris@FunWithDirt.com http://www.FunWithDirt.com/ From - Thu May 21 11:53:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: from globe-mail (209.1.236.9) by qpt.com with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 2.0.1); Thu, 21 May 1998 11:59:02 -0800 To: radman@acid.org Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 11:51:58 -0700 From: "Adam Schwarcz" Message-ID: Subject: alt.art.hirez X-Sender-Ip: 199.88.112.211 Organization: E-Mail @ The Globe (http://www.globe-mail.com:80) Content-Length: 368 Im in favor of having a hirez newsgroup to discuss techniques, get critique, "are photomanips art"? free hand vs photomanips, reviews of packs and things that make the hirez scene as cool as we are :) atom --- What is the sound of one mind snapping? {atom} - dark illustrated - nocturnal "Free web-based email available now at http://www.theglobe.com" From - Thu May 21 09:15:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: from wave.wavecomputers.net (208.18.50.5) by qpt.com with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 2.0.1); Wed, 20 May 1998 22:34:23 -0800 Received: from catbones.wavecomputers.net (rolla-port23.wavecomputers.net [208.18.50.123]) by wave.wavecomputers.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id AAA13190 for ; Thu, 21 May 1998 00:28:40 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3563BB2F.D2C@wavecomputers.net> Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 00:27:11 -0500 From: CatBones Reply-To: catbones@acid.org Organization: ACiD Productions To: radman@acid.org Subject: Re: Yo... References: <356311FB.43D2@acid.org> Content-Length: 1212 RaD Man [ACiD] wrote: > Hey dude... I've been mulling over whether to propose a group > for hirez scene artists. If I went through the painstaking joy > to create an alt.art.scene.hirez or alt.art.hirez newsgroup, would > you use it? Our mailing list is getting way too much traffic and > I'd like to divert some of the non-group specific speak to a newsgroup > forum. Members of iCE and other groups have voiced the same. yeah, i 'read' some groups but never post because i really don't have much to say in most groups, but YEAH i'd dig a art.hirez newsgroup man. make it happen! =) -- ,sS"$$$ ,sS"$$$ ,sS"$$$ ,sS ,sS"$$$ $$$"Ss. $$$"Ss. ,sS"$$$ $$$ $$$ $$$ $$$ $$$ $$$ $$$"Ss. $$$ $$$ $$$ $$$ $$$ $$$ $$$ """ $$$ $$$"$$$ """ $$$ $$$ $$$ $$$ $$$ $$$ $$$ $$$"""' `"""Ss. $$$ $$$ $$$ $$$ $$$ $$$ $$$ $$$ $$$ $$$ $$$ $$$ $$$ $$$ $$$ `S$g$S' $$$ $$$ $$$ `S$g$S' `S$g$S' $$$ $$$ `S$g$S' `S$g$S' proudly coordinating the art of tomorrow ACiD hiREZ ............................................................... .. http://www.wavecomputers.net/~catbones/ .. .. http://www.acid.org/ .. ............................................................... From - Thu May 21 13:39:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: from norquay.tor.shaw.wave.ca (24.64.63.48) by qpt.com with SMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 2.0.1); Thu, 21 May 1998 13:30:03 -0800 Message-ID: <35648D57.5E187C49@shaw.wave.ca> Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 16:23:51 -0400 From: "r kurtz/mandel" Organization: iCE Advertisements To: radman@acid.org Subject: hola Content-Length: 192 I've heard that you're planning on starting a newsgroup dedicated to high-res art, and I think it's a great idea. It's about time that the whole art scene be able to participate in discussions together, instead of private mailing lists, lame irc channels, etc. As a member of iCE, one of the oldest and most prestigious art groups on the net, I can definately tell you that you'd at least have a few members posting up on the newsgroup. I can think of about two dozen people off the top of my head who would be willing to participate in discussions (so long as the content remains mature), and a newsgroup would be a great way to do it. Good luck with the project! Jason Kurtz aka. Rainmaker/iCE jkurtz@shaw.wave.ca/rmaker@ice.org http://www.ice.org From - Thu May 21 13:39:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: from clearfield.clearnet.net (206.31.245.2) by qpt.com with SMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 2.0.1); Thu, 21 May 1998 13:45:32 -0800 Message-ID: <003501bd84f7$a5cce8a0$a9f51fce@robin> From: trooper@clearnet.net (John Socoski ) To: Subject: alt.art.hirez Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 16:32:58 -0400 Content-Length: 1388 I am in favor of alt.art.hirez. I believe that a suitable place to converse with other artist about 3d = and 2d computer art is a much needed newsgroup. Finding others computer = artists in my area is nearly impossibe so i feel that this newsgroup = would be very benificial to the growth of my artistic skill.=20 From - Thu May 21 14:00:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mcfs.whowhere.com (209.1.236.44) by qpt.com with SMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 2.0.1); Thu, 21 May 1998 13:57:58 -0800 Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by theglobe.com; Thu May 21 13:40:21 1998 To: radman@acid.org Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 13:40:21 -0700 From: "Adam Schwarcz" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Cc: X-Sent-Mail: off X-Expiredinmiddle: true X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: alt.art.hirez X-Sender-Ip: 199.88.112.211 Organization: E-Mail @ The Globe (http://www.globe-mail.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 Content-Length: 380 I would use a newsgroup dedicated to hirez art. Things that would be interesting would be tutorials, asking questions n how to do shit, critiques of work, freehand vs photomanips, are photomanips art? etc... atom --- What is the sound of one mind snapping? {atom} - dark illustrated - nocturnal "Free web-based email available now at http://www.theglobe.com" From - Thu May 21 15:10:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: from pike.cdrom.com (204.216.28.222) by qpt.com with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 2.0.1); Thu, 21 May 1998 15:13:21 -0800 Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 15:06:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Murray Stokely To: Christian Wirth Subject: alt.art.hirez Message-ID: Content-Length: 716 I am in favor of the creation of alt.art.hirez for many different reasons. The programs used to create computer artwork have become so powerful and complex in recent years that it is imperative that artists have common ground in which to exchange ideas, tricks, and genereal know-how. Like any other artistic forum it would be invaluable to aspiring artists to learn from more experienced artists. There are a few specialized art newsgroups dealing with specific programs but nothing revolving around the entire computer "art scene". There's nowhere that artists can learn about new programs, new online art galleries, or chat with fellow creators. This newsgroup would fill that void. - Murray From - Thu May 21 16:23:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: from marine.sonic.net (208.201.224.37) by qpt.com with SMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 2.0.1); Thu, 21 May 1998 16:29:12 -0800 X-envelope-info: Received: (from derf@localhost) by bolt.sonic.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) id QAA08781 for radman@acid.org; Thu, 21 May 1998 16:26:08 -0700 Message-Id: <199805212326.QAA08781@bolt.sonic.net> Subject: alt.art.hirez To: radman@acid.org Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 16:26:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Kevin Jamieson Content-Length: 1111 I think that adding a usenet group under the name "alt.art.hirez" would be an incredible benefit to many people. Hirez or hiresolution art is an increasing force in both the underground artscene and the development of the web as a whole. Discussing "web design" is not enough, however, because it fails to acknowledge the growing number of people who have been pursing computerized art as both a career and personal hobby. I could easily see alt.art.hirez receiving over twenty posts a day from just the underground artscene alone; after awhile, as news spreads and more servers pick it up, I'm sure it will attract people not already affiliated with artgroups, providing a convergance and mixing of talent and thoughts. Things that I would discuss: Pros and cons of various graphics packages (Photoshop, GIMP, 3dstudio, etc), new released art pieces, tutorials and help for novices, how to generate certain special effects, and favorite subject matter. I'm new to the world of hi-resolution art, and as a newcomer I would benefit immensely from such a newsgroup. Skrubly From - Thu May 21 16:26:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mcfs.whowhere.com (209.1.236.44) by qpt.com with SMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 2.0.1); Thu, 21 May 1998 16:32:42 -0800 To: radman@acid.org Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 16:25:42 -0700 From: "Brian dunphy" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Cc: Subject: alt.art.hirez X-Sender-Ip: 198.164.230.189 Organization: MailCity (http://www.mailcity.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Length: 352 Klumzee here, i support alt.art.hirez because i think its a great place for artists to discuss techniques, styles and for them to critique each others art, with more communication amoung artists, perhaps we can all learn from each other. klumzee (dvs, divine, avengescrollz) Get your FREE, private e-mail account at http://www.mailcity.com From - Thu May 21 17:15:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: from bigdog.clemson.edu (130.127.4.109) by qpt.com with SMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 2.0.1); Thu, 21 May 1998 17:19:14 -0800 Message-Id: <9805220014.AA18652@bigdog.clemson.edu> X-Sender: sinned@bigdog.clemson.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 20:11:14 -0400 To: radman@acid.org From: Sinned Soul Subject: alt.art.hirez Content-Length: 521 I'd like to offer my support for this newsgroup.. It would be nice to have a place for creators and lovers of high resolution art work to talk about techniques and give links to display their work.. I'm sure all who would read this group would benefit in one way or another by either learning new drawing techniques, or finding more pieces of art to display. I'm not saying this should be a binary group, but a place to link to WWW based galleries which just about every hi resoultion artist has.. dennis.. From - Fri May 22 09:12:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: from elvis.vnet.net (166.82.1.5) by qpt.com with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 2.0.1); Thu, 21 May 1998 17:45:37 -0800 From: "Matt Perkins" To: Subject: alt.art.hirez Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 20:37:29 -0400 Message-ID: <000101bd8519$cd14a200$05c252a6@shadow7.vnet.net> Content-Length: 388 i'd like to see a usenet group alt.art.hirez. it'd be really nice to have a place to communicate with other scene members without having to get on irc. it would increase world wide awareness of us also. bbs' are d.e.a.d. (imho) and this would be a great way to bring back the feel of a message board. Matt Perkins [solstice [4]] hfaze@vnet.net [http://swankarmy.net/hfaze] From - Fri May 22 09:12:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: from smtp2.globalserve.net (209.90.128.7) by qpt.com with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 2.0.1); Thu, 21 May 1998 17:45:10 -0800 Message-ID: <000701bd851a$9a03dbf0$5f662fd1@tfs-1> From: "poloboy" To: Subject: alt.alt.art.hirez Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 17:43:11 -0700 Content-Length: 1756 Hello, I support the creation of alt.alt.art.hirez because there really = isn't any newsgroup that talks about digital art or art done for the = sole purpose of releasing to art appreciative internetzines :>=20 Discussions would probably be about web design, print design, and just = computer created art or art done purely with the computer as a medium. = About new innovations in software, new artists that have entered the = scene, some crazy fad or art style thats going around... From - Fri May 22 15:01:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (198.81.17.66) by qpt.com with SMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 2.0.1); Fri, 22 May 1998 15:07:18 -0800 Received: from NECPA@aol.com by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv14.1) id WWBKa15838 for ; Fri, 22 May 1998 18:00:01 -0400 (EDT) From: NEC PA Message-ID: <73bd478.3565f562@aol.com> Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 18:00:01 EDT To: radman@acid.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: hirez newsgroup Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 40 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 Content-Length: 1068 Rad Man, I hear you are pushing the idea of creating alt.art.hirez as a newsgroup, I think it's a GREAT idea for all those kids out there wanting to get in touch with some of the scene artists. It would also serve as a great info where kids would learn more about this so called "underground" scene. I am therefore writing this in support thereof. Discussing general topics on art tutorials would defiantely surface as soon as the newsgroup begins. Our scene has a lot of great artists who are willing to help others, even provide them with logos/vgas for their web sites or alternate projects. I as one would do hirez are for ANYONE who emails me and simply ask as long as they are willing to wait, as I so already do. With about 200 hirez artists in our scene you know the turnout would be immense. Newsgroups always served their purpose for educating others about a certain topic and alt.art.hirez is definately a great idea. I sure hope to see it as a newsgroup one day. Take care. Martin Bishop ..-[xEDGEx]-.. ..-/ACiD HiREZ i998\-.. From - Tue May 26 09:31:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (207.82.250.199) by qpt.com with SMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 2.0.1); Sat, 23 May 1998 17:29:26 -0800 Message-ID: <19980524002224.6797.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.235.39.110 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 23 May 1998 17:22:24 PDT X-Originating-IP: [207.235.39.110] From: "Ryan Mire" To: radman@acid.org Subject: Re: alt.art.hirez Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 17:22:24 PDT Content-Length: 2197 I support the formation of alt.art.hirez in order to beter inform the scene. As updated as archeron is it does not by far cover enough information or handle each group to a precise degree of detail and efficentcy. I would like this to happen cause I would actually like to know what is up with all groups doings and releases in order to be a better informed member of the community we got here. To say the least what the scene is now is on the cutting edge an to keep that edge sharp we must forever know whats going on. Thus I Blue Devil support the formation of this. Blue Devil Avengecult/ Scrollz / Codine /Rca / Orbit Emag From - Tue May 26 09:31:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: from kraken.aldhfn.org (198.17.116.20) by qpt.com with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 2.0.1); Sat, 23 May 1998 02:51:42 -0800 Received: from momeraths.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by kraken.aldhfn.org (8.8.7/8.8.3) with UUCP id FAA15978 for radman@acid.org; Sat, 23 May 1998 05:44:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from queen.momeraths.org ( [192.168.2.4] ) by alice (Hethmon Brothers Smtpd) ; Sat, 23 May 1998 00:27:16 +0000 From: MarchHare@momeraths.org (Sysop John) To: radman@acid.org Subject: Re: Advice... Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 17:51:35 -0400 Organization: Mome Raths BBS Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <354D41FA.AFD24E4A@acid.org> Lines: 72 Content-Length: 3299 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Sun, 03 May 1998 21:20:10 -0700, "RaD Man [ACiD Founder]" wrote: > > John thanks for taking the time to write back. Believe it or not, both >radman@nospam.acid.org and radman@acid.org work. Just the nospam address goes [snip] >> That's why one FAQ goes to great lengths to advise you to cite numerical >> references. In order of importance, the numbers can be derived from the >> number of current Usenet posts on the subject, the number of subscribers >> on a mailing list, the number of messages on a web-based board and, most >> certainly least convincing, the number of hits on a web page. > > Yes I read that FAQ. Hopefully admins will buy the fact that most discussion >mailing lists are closed to members of their 'groups' only and that people are >eager to jump on this newsgroup. I have another question, since there is no real >voting process and the decision ultimately lies on the individual admins, is it >helpful or unhelpful to have other proponents of your proposal post replies in >alt.config stating rationalizing their support? I figure this atleast helps >realize some sort of headcount factor but could it (has it) hinder(ed) the >process? If a few post to alt.config, it doesn't hurt. However, it is easily overdone. More than a handful can actually become annoying. ... >> alt.art.video Video art and experiments >> comp.graphics.* > > I'm almost counting on people suggesting comp.graphics.misc and >comp.graphics.* -- My server must not carry alt.art.video I'll have to check >that out in DejaNews. With the expectation of a 'juse use comp.graphics.*' >I have a prepared legitimate response. :) Good. Being prepared is most of the battle. > Well John thanks once again. I'm probably going to send this out >pretty soon, tommorow perhaps. I've read atleast 8 or 9 FAQs on creating >alt groups but I always figure there's something else that could >be improved... The fact that you have read most (if not all) of the FAQs indicates to me that it couldn't possibly be more offensive than a lot of the stuff that goes on in alt.config :) Take care, John - -- //------------------------------------------------------------------------ // `I don't think they play at all fairly,' Alice began, in rather // a complaining tone, `and they all quarrel so dreadfully one can't // hear oneself speak--and they don't seem to have any rules in // particular' --Lewis Carroll From - Wed May 27 09:07:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.virginia.edu (128.143.2.9) by qpt.com with SMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 2.0.1); Tue, 26 May 1998 23:27:09 -0800 Received: from fire (bps6p@dynamic68.cais.com [207.226.56.68]) by server2.mail.virginia.edu (8.8.5/8.6.6) with SMTP id CAA00915 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 02:19:00 -0400 (EDT) From: "B. Phillip Smith" Sender: bps6p@server1.mail.virginia.edu To: radman@acid.org Subject: In support of alt.art.hirez Message-ID: Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 02:20:20 -0400 () Priority: NORMAL Content-Length: 1657 I fully support the creation of the newsgroup alt.art.hirez. As president of the art group Fire (www.fireweb.org) I know that our approximately 30 members would benefit greatly from such a newsgroup. Members are reluctant to converse on our group email list for fear of unwanted flooding mail. Conversations over IRC lack the focus and depth that asynchronous messaging through usenet would provide. These same problems affect the conversation of the art scene's other groups, of which there are about 5-10 that are of a similar size as ours. The art scene that includes today's high resolution artists emerged out of bulletin board message systems. Now that very few of these boards still exist, usenet would surely be the most logical replacement for the hundreds of artists who have previously used BBS's to communicate. On IRC, the efnet channel #hirez was founded about a year ago and hasn't stopped growing since. Today there are about 40-50 artists who visit the channel regularly. I am sure that the majority of these regulars would welcome the chance to carry on more thorough, thought-out conversations in alt.art.hirez. Asynchronous communication would also help because hirez artists come from all parts of the globe, and are all on different schedules, making reliable IRC conversation more difficult. I have no doubt that the creation of alt.art.hirez would be a great idea and would be completely embraced by many of the hundreds of artists involved in the underground computer art scene. Phil Smith, aka God among Lice. Fire president. From - Thu May 28 09:11:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: from anvil.gatech.edu (130.207.165.41) by qpt.com with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 2.0.1); Wed, 27 May 1998 22:27:07 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980528011700.006859a0@pop.prism.gatech.edu> X-Sender: gte913e@pop.prism.gatech.edu Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 01:17:00 -0400 To: radman@acid.org From: Mark Collins Subject: alt.art.hirez Content-Length: 2496 Recently I was made aware of the possibility of a newsgroup devoted to digital "hirez" art. On hearing this I questioned why it had not been done already; there is already such a large infrastructure of artists and art fans who communicate over various means that it only seemed natural there would be a newsgroup. However, i found out that this was not the case. Id like to take this opportunity to relate why I think that there SHOULD be a hirez newsgroup. First of all, the graphics community is rooted in several countries around the world. We try as best we can to keep up communication with each other but the nature of the internet and limited time makes it all but impossible through means such as email lists, IRC, and the web. A newsgroup would be ideally suited for ALL graphicians to exchange ideas and keep up with rescent news. Such an ecclectic and engaging group of people would surely make for some interesting conversation; however, one of the greatest advantages of the newsgroup would involve the non-scene enthusiast. By providing an easily accesible place for commercial as well as fine artists to meet, you allow the new-comer to get a sample of all that is going on in the digital art world as well as a great deal of reference material for anyone wishing to venture into this field. However, the graphic artists themselves would be the true benefactors of such a resource. Each day I come into contact with countless people who have something to say and want their voice heard on a matter involving the digital artform. In the short time between now and the time I heard of this endeavor, I have talked to several people who are as excited as I am about the possibility of a hirez newsgroup. It interests both the thousands of people in the computer art scene and also the even larger crowd of web designers, print artists, teachers, and students. Just having a resource through which a person could reach so many qualified artists is sure to grow in popularity. I am anxious to hear how this goes and hopefully soon I will be able to subscribe to what will surely become my favorite newsgroup, alt.art.hirez...behind these words there is a mountain of debate, questions, and opinions. My sincere hope is that these thoughts and opinions will find a home in the alt.art.hirez - I know I plenty share, I cant wait to see what the world has to say back to me! Mark Collins Architecture Major Georgia Institure of Technology From - Thu May 28 09:11:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: from yowie.cc.uq.edu.au (130.102.2.2) by qpt.com with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 2.0.1); Thu, 28 May 1998 01:18:12 -0800 Received: from arcx.inhouse.net.au (s373779.student.uq.edu.au [172.20.75.114]) by yowie.cc.uq.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA21516 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 18:10:58 +1000 (GMT+1000) Message-Id: <199805280810.SAA21516@yowie.cc.uq.edu.au> From: "Garen Krumins" To: Subject: We want alt.art.hirez Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 14:58:25 +1000 Content-Length: 889 The creation of an alt.art.hirez newsgroup has my interest and support. Why? Hirez, a unique form of digital art that utilises the talents of many artists. Its main core of artists are usually young people that strive to "break the rules" and produce vastly alternative works of art. It is the mixture of young talent and alternative content that makes hirez so unique. Although it is mainly produced in the underground, it is slowly becoming more known to the mainstream. As an active participant in this wonderful form of digital art, I would like to see more people being interested in Hirez. A newsgroup would allow existing participants such as me to open up the eyes of indivduals interested in what young people are creating in the way of modern alternative art. Yours Sincerely. Garen Krumins.